oh shoott…. no way……
that is so not fair i wana go to all ma cousins in pak are going
huh i miss it
chalo hav loads n loads of fun
i was watchin on tthe tv abt hazoor’s arival in Qadian…..
i wish i could go there
chalo next yr insallah he is going to come to canada

Hay Asmo tussi jaa rahay ho .

Khair nal ja tay khair naal aa …lol words of my frnd .

yaar yeh kia u programmed in so much sudden, Khair do bring warm clothes Amritsar is cold place too like isloo .

enjoy ur trip is all I can say!!

Congrats! khairiat ke sath jayen aur khairiat ke sath ayen do remember us in ur prayers!

Take good care of urself, Allah Hafiz

gud luck and takecares

qadian??? ummm
wheres tat???
are u ahmedi??
just curious dunno much abt it tats y asking..

Khair naal jao te khair naal aao. Enjoy ur trip

hey i think i saw u on TV
hehehehehehe

khwab tumney ise khuwab me dekha hoga,wat was she doing on tv?

@unaiza,qadiyan is a hub of qadyanis in India,their leader Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan started preaching from city of qadyan,

one of their hub is city of Rabwah in Pakistan,if i am not wrong

Long time no post…busy in welcoming the new year I suppose…

HUMAN AND ALL OTHERS
What and Who are Ahmadis?
go there: http://alislam.org/introduction/index.html

Who is Mirza Ghulam Ahmed?
http://alislam.org/library/messiah.html

and for any other information jst simply one click away:
http://alislam.org/

To HUMAN: I thought people never should judge what is write and what is wrong by just reading opponent’s view. They should judge after reading both side of the story.

for all fanatics like Rehan Mirza who actually dont even follow Islam,they should read and follow the last verse of Surah Kafiron:

Lakum deenukum walee yadeen.
You have your path and I have mine.

so keep your fanatism in your pants:

ppl like rehan and human have distorted he image of muslims all over the world. ppl like them dont even know what islam is and what it teaches. one should try to keep himself on the right path and let others do whatever they feel is right. no one has a right to degrade others feelings. and i think this is what islam teaches. LIVE AND LET LIVE. and asma i hope u enjoyed your holy tour. although i couldnt go but i enjoyed all the blessings of jalsa through mta. may Allah give huzoor a long life and give me an oppertunity to meet him once in my life. amin.

eeeeeewwww
come on gal
i am waiting…..to hear how da jalsa went…..
though i saw there were so many ppl……

i heard it was really cold down there n u guys had to sit out side during da jalsa…….
but everyone had a spirt of *anything for jalsa*
rit………
hope u had loads of fun there
learned new things
collected many blessings
met new ppl
made new frds frm all over da wrld

اللہ تعلی بہتر جانتا ہے کہ کس کا ایمان کتنا سہی ہے میں الحمد اللہ سنی ہو ، سنت کے تہت نماز پڑہتا ہو ، روزہ رکھتا ہو اور حضرت محمد PBUH اللہ کے آخری نبی ہے ختم نبوت پر میرا یقین آج تک کوئی مرتد بدل نہیں سکا کیونکہ یہ ممکن نہیں اور علم رکھتا ہو ، پوچھتا ہو سوال کرتا ہو ، میں نے ایک سوال کیا ۔۔۔۔ جواب تو نا ملا الٹا مجھے اور میرے ایمان پر باتیں کردیں کہ میں غلط ہو ۔۔۔ سچ ساری دنیا جانتی ہے اور وہ یہ ہے کہ احمدی زندیق و مرتد ہیں ا

“Human” ap ke sawal ka jawab yeh hai ke hum Qudiani nahi Ahmadi hain…..and btw there is no such sect called Qadiyani…..its Ahmadiyat….. i would appreciate if you use the proper term than calling us names (do u know what Allah said abt calling ppl names)

wesa ap kehte ho ap muslim ho rit?
do you even know Hazoor (pbuh) ne farmaya ta ke jo muslim kesi dosreh ko kafar kehe wo kud kafar hota hai……..

Main bi namazain parti hoon, roza rakti hon yeh believe karti hon ke Hazoor humare akree nabi hain…..main bi kalma parti hon….so i am not muslim ????

who is muslim n who is not…is not your job….
Allah is going to judge us…..
what u say?? hope i have cleared some doubts

tc

ya Allah reham!

guys, watch out your tone

everyone

cause Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) said kei tum main sai sab sai acha wo hai jo sab sai khush ikhlak hai!

What is happening, please dont loose temper, please!

Asma,
Welcome to India.

HAppy new year !!!!
may happiness b urs today tomorrow nd always!

@Human:I am sunni too,alhamdolillah,thougu i hate to label myself as Sunni,cos labelling as Sunni.shia is pretty pathethic in my sight,HUman you pray or fast,its your own business,whteverr you are doing,doing for yourself,you ain`t doing any favor for others:),
but show me a single verse where is it mentioned that you could talk anything worst about other cult or sects ppl?

Main bi namazain parti hoon, roza rakti hon yeh believe karti hon ke Hazoor humare akree nabi hain…..main bi kalma parti hon….so i am not muslim ????

@khuwab,sorry for my ignorance,then why do you call yourself as Ahmadi?there must be some reasons which made you to call yourself as Ahmadi rather something else?

and,how calling Qadyani is abusive for you?though its fact that Qadyani was labelled due to qadyan?

Thanks

Assalam o alaykum all … gosh people … Tolerance is the key and pivotal point needed by a muslim and unfortunately lacked by most in today’s time … Tears come to my eyes automatically when i read about the extent of hardships faced by our beloved Hadhrat Muhammad s.a.w.w and his sahaba and sahabiyat and even then nothing smile and the kalima of ahad was there on everyone’s lips … Radi Allah anhum.

@khwab: oh dear … oh u saw me … lolz well … who knows maybe but Alhamdolillah, that was very very blessed jalsa and i enjyed every tit bits … I’ll write the detailed acounts later on … but from tahajuud til isha … i was atleast so much spirited … bohatttt maza aya …! Tum logon kay tu mazay
hain naaa … !

@gul: thanks dear for ur wishes … well it was not very sudden actually … there were some
complications in visa thingy we were Alhamdolillah amonst the starting ones in the lists who got visas … some 10000 ppl didnt got as pak and indian govt. allowed only 5000 out of 15000 ppl to go … Well, the sardy was there but we had quite some sweaters and socks with us

@raheel:Thanks … I enjoyed it

@Ayesha: I do keep u in my prayers …

@Jawwad: thanks

@Unaiza: qadian its a town in Indian Punjab, and yes I’m an ahmadi Muslim

@Jony br: Alhamdolillah i went with khair and came back with even more khair

@Adnan:By tv, Khwab mean Muslim Television Ahmadiyya MTA, a 24-hour channel by Ahmadi muslims … http://www.mta.tv … Jalsa was broadcasted live … though only male part of jalsa is shown on tv ….!

@Rehan: Alhamdolillah, I’m an Ahmadi Muslim … and please before speaking or writing … think another time… Islam has not permitted us to raise fingers suchwise by saying thats the worst thing … Islam teaches Tolerance patience and understanding towards everything.

@Hirdu: lolz I’m back

@ Human + Khwab: khwab i guess gave u some links …!

@Anonymous: Inshahallah you will … I enjoyed it a lot … !

@khwab: well, i met many ppl some from pakistan … many from other places , befriended some 3-4 yr kiddos from jammu, sri nagar, some from holland and yet some from germany, a very sweet lady from Sri nagar gifted me some walnuts and apples too really enjoyed a lot … there were 70000 ppl who came for this jalsa… !

@Human: Well, offering prayers, fasting giving zakat, reciting quran, these are something that are farayz so whats the point in saying that i do this i do this … every muslim should do this if he does not not thats bad but if he does he should dtrive for something more too !

@TM: Ameen!

@Senthil Kumar: Thanks … was a good experince, though i only visited Qadian and a passing by view of Batala … as visas were only for these places … But still would love to visit Agra, Delhi, Simla, jaipur atleast in future.

@Unaiza: Happy new yr to you too, may it be very blessed for you and all as well

@Adnan: Well, Alhamdolillah … if by sunni you mean one who follows and adopts all things as par Hadhrat Muhammad s.a.w.w’s sunnat then Alhamdolillah I’m a sunni too … ! Well, as for the reasons why we call ourselves amdi is coz we belive that Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani a.s. is the messiah and mahdi promissed by Hadhrat Muhammad s.a.w.w on head of 14th century … and that Hadhrat Eesa alayhe salat o wasalm has died … and we belive that the messiah and mahdi could not come without the direct deliverance by Allah, and such a person is a nabbi, prophet … but he has not come with soem seperated idea or shariah … he’s umati nabii of Hadhrat Muhammad s.a.w.w … and by khatamun nabiyeen it does not mean that he’ll be the last prophet with respect to the arrival of propehts but would be last with respect to law bearing propehts … propehts would and may come but under the shade of Hadhrat Muhammad s.a.w.w’s prophethood … thats a small briefing … you can visit ww.alislam.org , it’s our official website …!

And qadiyani is not an abusive word for us … but the correct name is ahmadiyya muslim jamaat …

not qadiyani jamaat … qadiyani is a derogatory word that is consciously … and better word would be

jaan bhoojh kar used for us … but nevertheless … we dont mind …!

Wassalam & may Allah be with all!

dear Asma!
i hope i havn`t hurt you by any means,as i mentioned,i dont like to label myself as Sunni mUslim,iwould rather prefer to be consider a ‘Muslim’ only,reason i mentioned my sect so that one don`t think i belong to your community as i was making comments against extreeme views of some ppl here.

i also never claim that Sunnis are one who would go in paradise,rest are not. We have all things clear infront of us,to be a muslim,one have to accept oneness of Allah,Accept Messenger Muhammad(SAW) as Prophet,accept His Sunnah,accept his all Caliph,from Abu Bakr(RA) to Ali(RA),accept all previous Prophets(from Adam(AS) to Jesus(AS)),following 5 pillars of Islam.

the conflicting point is Who`s messiah.Jews,Muslims and Chirisitians ,all these abrahamic faith believe that Jesus(AS) would come back in world,jews dont consider Him as Messiah,while muslims do and maybe chrisitians as well,muslims believe he was lifted upwards while other religions believe he was dead and then lifted upwards.

The Prophet(SAW) prophecised about Mahdi,yes its true but its also true that before apperance of Mahdi,several things were told as well like Messiah will descend from the heavens in Damascus,its all mentioned in hadith,and if you have read and belived it,you would believe in it as well.

Let me quote you fea hadiths:

The Hour will not be established until the Son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizyah tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).
(Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 3, Book 43, No. 656)

I swear by Him in Whose hands is my life that soon there will descend among you Hazrat Isa Ibn-e-Mariam as a Just Ruler; so (he) will break the ‘cross’, kill swine and prohibit war!
(Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 1, No. 668, Book of Prophets, P. 490)

so according to these hadiths,Messiah yet has not arrived on earth,those who would fulfill these and many other prophecies,that would be consider a messiah,same goes for Imam mahdi (AS)

and i believe this is the reason that a seprate sect got introduced as Ahmadis..

but again..noone have right to throw stone over others jus cos he or she believes in something else,for me all religions and beliefs are respectable as its mentioned in Surah kafiron as well which i had quoted above,extreemism in any religion is harmful,we have extreemists everywhere so we have to deal with them,for me,being a fundamentalist is not bad but yea being an extreemist is not acceptable.

hope i didnt sound worst to you

Thanks

Dear brother Adnan Siddiqui
Assalamo alaikum warahmatullah wabrakatuhu
First of all let me introduce myself. My name is Shahid and I am an Alahmdulillah an Ahmadi Muslim from Tiranë, Albania.
I would like to draw your attention this beautiful verse of the Holy Qura,n:

(O ye who believe!) … say not to anyone who greets you with the greeting of peace (i.e. says Assalamo Alaikum, like other
Muslims) that ‘you are not a believer’” (4:95)

I had seen your correspondence with fellow brothers & sisters. You have given an definition of Muslim.
The Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama’at believes that the only valid and acceptable and practical definition of Muslim which is based on the Holy Quran, clearly stated by the Holy Prophet pbuh and being practiced and adhered throughout the lifetime of Holy Prophet saw and Khulafa-e-Rashideen. Any definition which bypasses this pattern or contradicts to theses definitions will not be free of pitfalls and lacunae.
Let me remind you that when Mr. Justice Muhammad Munir asked various Muslim divines to define a Muslim, during the 1953 Enquiry, no two divines could unfortunately agree on any single definition. Mr. Justice Muhammad Munir regretfully observed: “Keeping in view the several definitions given by ulama, need we make any comment except that no two learned divines are agreed on this fundamental. If we attempt our own definition as each learned divine has done and that definition differs from that given by all others, we unanimously go out of the fold of Islam. And if we adopt the definition given by any one of the ulama, we remain Muslims according to the view of that alim but kaafirs according to the definition of everyone else.”
• Hadhrat Abu Huraiah relates that the Holy Prophetsa said: “Ask me question”, but (his companions) were diffident to ask. Meanwhile, a man came in and sat in front of the Holy Prophetsa and asked: “What is Islam:?” The Holy Prophetsa replied “Do not associate partners with Allah, offer prayer, pay Zakat and fast in Ramadhan.” The man replied, “You have spoken the truth.” [Muslim, Kitab-ul-Iman]
• A man from among the people of Najd, with dishevelled hair, came to see the Holy Prophetsa. We could hear the hum of his conversation but could not capture what he said until he drew closer and we could hear him asking the Holy Prophetsa about Islam. The Holy Prophetsa replied, “Five daily prayers are appointed which span the day and night.” At which he enquired, “Are there other (prayers) in addition to these (five)?” The Holy Prophetsa replied, “No, unless of course you wish to offer some more as super-erogatory,” and further added, “You should observe fasting in the month of Ramadhan.” At this, he enquired, “Is there any other obligatory fasting besides that in Ramadhan?” The Holy Prophetsa replied, “No, unless you wish to observe it in super-erogation.” Then the Holy Prophetsa mentioned Zakat to him, at which he asked, “Is there anything apart from it?” The Holy Prophetsa replied, “No, unless you wish to offer more in super-erogation.” Then this man got up to leave, saying, “By God! I will neither add to these injunctions, nor would I subtract anything from these.” The Holy Prophetsa commented, “If he proves himself to be true in what he just said, he will prosper.”
[Sahih Bukhari Kitab-ul-Iman Bab Al-Zakaat min al Islam)
• One who observes the same prayer as we do, faces the same direction (in prayer) as we do, and partakes from the animal slaughtered by us, then such a one is a Muslim concerning whom there is a covenant of Allah and His Messenger; so you must not seek to hoodwink Allah in the matter of this Covenant. [Bukhari, Kitabus-Salat, Baab Fazl Istiqbal il-Qibla, This translation of the Hadith was taken from the booklet authored by Maulana Abul’A‘ala Maudoodi, A Critique of Constitutional Proposals, pp.14-15, (Urdu)

When you say that

“the conflicting point is Who`s messiah.Jews,Muslims and Chirisitians ,all these abrahamic faith believe that Jesus(AS) would come back in world, jews dont consider Him as Messiah,while muslims do and maybe chrisitians as well, muslims believe he was lifted upwards while other religions believe he was dead and then lifted upwards.”

I request you to put any single verse from which you can prove that Hazrat Isaa.s. was raised to heaven by the Allah in this human body itself. On the contrary hereby I quote the verses of the Holy Qura’n which very clearly prove that Hazrat Isaa.s. has died as the other prophets of God have died.
 Sura Al-maa’idah (5), Verse 117/118.
 Sura Aali-`imraan (3), Verse 55/56.
 Sura Al-maa’idah (5), Verse 75/76.
 Sura Aali-`imraan (3), Verse 144/145.
 Sura Banee israa’eel (17), Verse 93/94.
 Sura Al-a`raaf (7), Verse 25/26.
 Sura Al-anbiyaa’ (21), Verse 34/35
• “Jesus said, I am a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and made me a prophet. And He has made me blessed wheresoever I may be and has enjoined on me prayer and alms-giving so long as I live. He has made me dutiful toward my mother, and He has not made me haughty and unblessed. Peace was on me the day I was born, and peace there shall be on the day I shall die, and the day I shall be raised up to life again.” (19:31-4)
The verse shows Hadhrat Jesusas must have died, and could not exist in heaven with his physical body:
o If he was still alive, he would have to give alms in heaven, but who would need alms there?
o If he would descend again to earth alive, he would have to follow the Jewish prescriptions on both prayer and alms-giving – and could not be a follower of Islamic law.
o Did his mother accompany him to heaven physically? How could he otherwise behave like a dutiful son towards her?
• “Keep in mind when God will say to Jesus, son of Mary: Didst thou say to people: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? – and he will answer, Holy art Thou, I could never say that to which I had no right. If I had said it, Thou wouldst have surely known it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy mind. It is only Thou who art the Knower of hidden things. I said nothing to them except that which Thou didst command me: Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them, but since Thou didst cause me to die, Thou hast been the Watcher over them, and Thou art Witness over all things.” (5:117-8)
The verse proves that:
o The corruption of Christian doctrine took place after the death of Hadhrat Jesusas. If Hadhrat Jesusas is still alive, as some Muslims believe, then Christianity must still be pure.
o The same Hadhrat Jesusas will not appear a second time in this world, as he would then become aware that Christians had now taken his mother as Divine, and could not, therefore plead ignorance in front of God’s judgment seat.
• The Quran says about persons or beings worshiped as God: “They are dead, not living; and they know not when they will be raised.” (16:21)
If Hadhrat Jesusas is alive, as some Muslims believe, he must be God

You can get these referenced from this link as well as

http://www.alislam.org/library/ref/jesus.htm
For more critical study read this
http://www.alislam.org/library/links/death_eesa.html

Let me quote you fea hadiths:
AHMADIYYA BELIEF ABOUT JESUS CHRISTAS
1. Ahmadis believe that Jesus Christas was a prophet of God, with messianic stature, yet he was a human being and had no supernatural powers as against the rest of the messengers of Allah.
2. Jesus Christas, according to the Ahmadiyya interpretation of the Holy Qur’an and Traditions, did not die upon the Cross and his opponents failed to murder him. He was delivered from the Cross in a state of coma and was mistaken for dead by the onlookers. This confusion is referred to in the Holy Qur’an under the words i.e. the matter was made obscure to them. The Ahmadis believe that he lived ma ny more years after the Crucifixion and migrated to find the lost sheep of the house of Israel—the ten Tribes that had migrated to eastern lands. Refer to Jesus in India and relevant literature on the topic from http://www.alislam.org

The Hour will not be established until the Son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizyah tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).
(Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 3, Book 43, No. 656)

About the concept of Imam Mahdi, there are differences. These differences also hinge on the question whether the prophecies about Imam Mahdias should be taken literally or metaphorically.
According to some traditions, the Promised Imam of the latter days—Imam Mahdi—would distribute such unlimited wealth in the world that people would refuse to take more. According to the mainstream non-Ahmadi ulema, this prophecy again is to be fulfilled literally. They are expecting a Mahdi who would resolve all economic problems of the Muslim world in particular.
If this understanding is to be taken seriously, we should expect a complete collapse of the world economy and total chaos in the exchange system of values. If a people do not have to work to earn their living, why should they work at all?
If people do not work, either on the land or in industries, the entire system of production would come to a grinding halt. There may be as many buyers as one can imagine, but who would sell and what would they sell? If someone requires to buy even an egg for billions of dollars or pounds, none would be mad enough to sell because he too would have mountains of wealth received from Imam
Mahdi.
TRUE INTERPRETATION OF ‘DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH’ BY IMAM MAHDI
Ahmadis, on the other hand, interpret these prophecies in a far more rational way. They consider the language of these prophecies as a religious metaphor which should be understood in the same allegorical way. They believe that what the Prophet of Islamsa said was that like all other prophets of God, Imam Mahdi would also distribute unlimited spiritual wealth and like the people of earlier history the people of Imam Mahdi’s time would also refuse to accept spiritual treasures. This phenomenon is most beautifully described in the Holy Qur’an:
“And when We bestow favour on man, he turns away and goes aside.” (17 : 84)

I swear by Him in Whose hands is my life that soon there will descend among you Hazrat Isa Ibn-e-Mariam as a Just Ruler; so (he) will break the ‘cross’, kill swine and prohibit war!
(Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 1, No. 668, Book of Prophets, P. 490)

THE THREE MAIN TASKS OF THE PROMISED MESSIAH
In numerous Traditions of the Holy Prophetsa, it is mentioned that the second coming of Jesus Christas would take place for three main reasons:
Breaking of the Cross
Extermination of swine (domestic and wild boars, etc.)
Annihilation of the Antichrist.
BREAKING OF THE CROSS
According to the Ahmadiyya understanding, the breaking of the Cross does not mean the literal breaking of crosses made of wood or metals but it refers to such powerful arguments as would break the backbone of the faith of the Cross.
The non-Ahmadi scholars suggest that Jesus would literally perform this act of breaking all crosses: So he would roam the earth far and wide and would not rest until the material figures of the cross are physically broken in the whole wide world.
THE KILLING OF THE SWINE
The same difference of interpretation applies to other prophetic functions of Jesus Christas. Ahmadis interpret the word ‘swine’ as a symbol of uncouth and impure conduct. By the slaughtering of the swine, they mean the purification of the corrupt and their moral reformation. The opposite school of thought would not let Jesus come to rest after his long awaited descent from heaven until (after finishing the task of Breaking the Cross!), he has literally performed the gigantic task of chasing and killing every swine on earth, domesticated or otherwise!!!

Waiting for your reply.
Wassalam

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@shahid,no offense, you have brought up lots of misinterpetation,some of them are funny too,before i goto answer you,i would like to whether this place(asma`s blog) is suitable for it..i was not expecting some debat over here,neither i was promoting my own version,but since things have been brought up,i would certain need to know whether asma would allow this or we rather disuss on your own blog.

asma,hi

i alredy have made reply on shahid`s blog,one can read there

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